Wednesday, May 27, 2009

Discussion Of The Week - Week 4

In past weeks we've discussed horror movies themselves ; favorites, guilty pleasures, and remakes, but this week we're gonna go a bit of a different route....

Who is your favorite horror villain? To spice things up i'm gonna do what I did with last weeks discussion and eliminate the more obvious answers so this doesn't become the typical boring old generic debate. So who is your favorite horror villain besides Freddy, Jason, Myers, or Leatherface, and why?

I've talked about my love for Hatchet more than enough on here, but i've gotta go with .....

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VICTOR CROWLEY


Why? Just look at him! How can ya not love that! V.C is the perfect throwback to the oldschool 80's slashers villains and that's the main reason I was so drawn to him and Hatchet as a whole. Here's a deformed dude who had an evil done to him and who came back years later for revenge on anyone who crossed his path. If that aint the classic makings of a slasher villain, I don't know what is. Crowley harks back to the days of the likes of Jason Voorhees, Madman Marz, and, perhaps most notably, The Burning's Cropsy ; a classic campfire tale in the flesh. We just don't get villains the likes of ole Victor Crowley these days and to see him born in the year 2007 was and continues to be a real treat. I could watch endless amounts of sequels to Hatchet, as long as Crowley is running around like a madman and fucking people up, and that's why I consider him one of my favorite horror villains. The dude's super-human strength and the way he dispatches his victims certaintly doesn't hurt his case either. A gas powered belt sander?! Ripping a head in half?! It don't get much better than that!

So .... who is your favorite and, if you're feeling up to it, why?

36 comments:

Zacery Nova said...

I still need to see Hatchet.

I did like the plants in The Ruins, but I don't know if I can pick that one. If not, I did like the wrestler in Wrestlemaniac too.

- Zac

Johnny said...

Wrestlemaniac, eh? You really do have quite the fitting name for your blog!

Zacery Nova said...

Oh c'mon, Wrestlemaniac was an entertaining flick!

- Zac

Johnny said...

To each his own! I love wrestling and horror both, but could not get into it at all.

J. Astro said...

Aaaaah, decision, decisions... With my main man Jason dq'ed, I'm gonna have to go with the "WISHMASTER" series' Djinn. Because he's a total b-movie schlock monster, yet the costume design for the character is pretty damn impressive and I thoroughly enjoy all of the films as some of the greatest minor, modern cheese out there. Andrew Divoff is fantastic in the first two. Plus, the Djinn hosts music videos over on my page, so I've got that bias goin' as well.

The Warfreak said...

This is tough. I may have to go with Leslie Vernon. I hope that the sequel gets off the ground...

I'll think on this for a piece and come back if I have a better answer.

Wings said...

I am torn. I love Norman Bates, but I am not sure if he counts as a "slasher villian".

I guess I can go with the Creeper, from the first "Jeepers Creepers". He was really, really creepy to me. Just eerie. I so wish the sequel hadn't been so sucky.

Johnny said...

J. Astro - I've been craving some Wishmaster lately! I must admit that even though most of those movies suck, I still kinda love 'em!

Warfreak - For some reason Behind The Mask never really clicked with me. It's one of those movies that i've been meaning to watch again though because I only saw it once a few years ago and don't feel that I really gave it a fair shake.

Wings - Bates certaintly counts. I'm looking for horror villain in general, not just slasher villain. As for the Creeper, I absolutely loved Jeepers Creepers until it was revealed that the killer was not a real man, but a flying creature (with a suit that had a visible zipper on the back) =(

Nik Holmes said...

The first Jeepers Creepers got me so excited when I saw the Trailer, which was basically the first 20 minutes of the movie condensed down. Unfortunately it was a big disappointment, and the minute his wing appeared I could feel the whole cinema audiences expectations drop considerably and the remainder of the film was more or less laughed at. I enjoyed the second one more simply because by that point I knew I was watching a monster movie. But going into that first movie expecting a fantastic new slasher movie, an extra from gargoyles was the last thing I wanted to see. Still Kudos to them for that bummer of an ending, now that was refreshing.

Another good discussion, and one I'm going to have to give some thought to. Hmmm, do I seperate the character from the actual movie itself...

wiec? said...

Christopher Lee in the Hammer Horror Dracula movies. Some are better than others to be sure but he is pretty bad ass in everyone of them.

even though he died at the end of one they thought of a way to bring him back for the next . they killed him with a wagon wheel and he still came back and killed again. plus all the hot british ladies he attacks doesn't hurt matters either.

Johnny said...

Nik - That pretty much sums Jeepers Creepers up. Had so much potential then it just took a serious nosedive. And ya, i'm looking for character moreso than the movie itself.

Zach said...

I'll agree that once the wing appeared in Jeepers Creepers, it really "nuked the fridge" (Crystal Skull reference). But that first scene where he is dumping a body down the pipe is pretty amazing.

I think I have to go with Mahogany from Midnight Meat Train. Vinnie Jones was pretty spot on with his performance and the way he never said anything was just wonderfully creepy and atmospheric.

Johnny said...

Mahogany! Great choice, love that movie.

Monkeymanbob said...

I was gonna say Mahogany - damn it, too slow again.
I was going to pitch in with "The Family Man" from Nightbreed, but I seem to have imagined he was ever called this and is just refered to as Dr Decker on IMDB.
Great villian, meh film.

Zacery Nova said...

I did like Midnight Meat Train (but not the ending) and Jeepers Creepers 2 is an underappreciated film! I haven't seen the first one, but the second one had some tense sequences AND some eye candy.

- Zac

Johnny said...

Monkeyman - still haven't seen Nightbreed, although i've owned it for years!

Bjornabo said...

He might not be your typical "villain", but my chioice has to be Peter Cushing as Dr. Frankenstein in the Hammer Horror Movies. Great actor, great movies.

Gwen said...

Oh, woah! Excellent question.. uhmm.. I'm kinda drawing a blank. Guess they don't make horror villains like they used to?

I do like Zach's pick: Mahogany.

The Warfreak said...

Speaking of Barker penned flicks, Tony Todd as Candyman was pretty damn good, too!

And how about Dr. Giggles? Eh?

Carl (ILHM) said...

Im going with Raymond Lemorne from Spoorloos as a runner up that is always undermentioned, but Alan Yates, Candyman, and Georgio D'Orsino from Castle Freak are all high on my list. Ugh how can one be expected to choose from so many.. Outside of Freddy, Jason, Michael, and Leatherface, who are too iconic to choose from, I would have to go with Henry from Portrait of a Serial Killer..

Nicole said...

Since I can't choose my first choice, which is Freddy by the way, I'd have to go with either Candyman or Patrick Bateman from American Psycho. Candyman has just a great back story as to why/how he became the way he is, and the way he sets Helen up is just masterful. The kill scenes are never truly shown, but the gory that exists after, you can just imagine how horrific they'd be.

With Patrick Bateman, you have whole 80s yuppy scene, the faceless-ness of that era, that allows him to get away with his atrocities even when he confesses. And he has some of the most memorable kill scenes, the chainsaw scene obviously and also when he kills Paul with the ax, going from completely psychotic, hacking away, then calm covered in blood fixing his hair and lighting a cigar. Brilliant.

The Nobody said...

Since you said favorite horror villian and not horror film slasher I have just one response: "Oh my sweet Vulnavia". That is, of course, Dr. Phibes. The man was messed up in the worst sense. The two movies combined are worthy of several viewings, but it really is Vincent Price that does the job. His villianous portrayal of the Witchfinder General was also brutal. And as a side note, in THE FOG - the man running the morgue who discusses how one of the men aboard the SeaGrass died - his character name is Dr. Phibes!!

Johnny said...

Did I just see a Castle Freak shoutout?! I love that movie. So rarely do I hear people talk about it though.

Some great choices all around....thanks so much to all who have participated thus far! Keep 'em coming!

Nik Holmes said...

Well, I couldn't pin it down to one! Nicole actually has two of my faves, Patrick Bateman for sheer style and thinly veiled general insanity. He is at all times both laughably pathetic, yet incredibly dangerous and utterly batshit. The scene with Chloe Sevigny sat on his couch while he rifles through his powertools behind her is fantastic. It was almost unbearable to watch the only sympathetic character in the movie sit so blissfully unaware of what could be about to happen.

Candyman, for pure Horror Icon Status. He has a great history, a cool weapon and just delivers on the urban legend status the original movie demands. And that voice! When I saw this on the cinema, every time he spoke the whole theatre seemed to rumble. It got to the point were you dreaded him speaking because you knew your fillings would shake loose.

When I went to see Final Destination the guy behind me actually uttered the words 'Oh shit, it's Candyman!" when Tony Todd appeared on screen. Such is the power of the role that this guy actually believed it was THE Candyman, not just the actor who plays him, and that our teen heroines were now in danger of being gutted by his hook! Needless to say the guy was obviously a few apples short of a basket but still..

And finally Billy from Black Christmas (1974). Those phonecalls were INSANE and knowing absolutely nothing, and learning nothing more as the film progressed just made him such an unknown quantity! Never has saying so little said so much about a character.

Of course I have seen neither Hatchet or Midnight Meat Train, so I really need to check them out soon. Wrestemaniac can wait I think.

Johnny said...

Ah yes, Billy. He slipped my mind for some reason. I too love that character and loved how you never saw him or found out much about him. Then the remake had to come along and throw that out the window...

Ya, I think you can wait on Wrestlemaniac. Hatchet and Meat Train are definetly must sees though. What are ya waiting for!

Jason Takes Portland said...

I was going to say Leslie Verne (he is hilarious "Paradise Lost? Found it!"), but that was taken. then I was gonna go with Patrick Batemen(he is unintentionally hilarious "I have some videos to return.") but that was taken as well. So I am gonna have to Billy Zane as the Collector from Demond Knight. ("Humans. You're not worth the flesh you're printed on!")

While I am at can I also claim The Crypt Keeper. Everything that guys says is great!

Zacery Nova said...

(Wrestlemaniac was amusing, well-shot and quite gory with adorable characters)

Anyway, just watched Hatchet. The movie's humor/gore was good, it was like Gutterballs - flawed but fun.

- Zac

Johnny said...

Hatchet is just plain fun from start to finish. What more could ya ask for!

Quanthor said...

I can't say I have a definitive favorite but Lord Summerisle (played by Lee) is definitely up there along with Jack Torrance.

Those two psychotic fuckers are genuinely scary and the spooky isolation story settings helped amplify the terror and the insanity that takes place in the films.

Being cooped up in a creepy snowpacked hotel for an entire winter with a man who's slowing drifting into a murderous madness or trapped on an island with a with a cult of ritualistic pagans are probably the two last places I'd ever want to be.

kaiyn said...

I've been thinking about this for a while now, and I just can't pick one. Since I can't pick my favorite, Freddy, I'm going to have to cop out and say Jigsaw for sheer inventiveness.

Nik Holmes said...

I finally got round to seeing Hatchet and I'm so pleased to say i was impressed. I've seen so many movies where it was obvious the creators were attempting to establish a new horror icon, and failing miserably, I've gotta say Crowley totally worked for me. Despite the Old School Horror on display(Sorry, Old School AMERICAN Horror, and boy it didn't disappoint there), the film was still littered with the typical Post-Scream cliches - the horror icon cameos, the knowing sense of the absurd, horror movie archetypes playing completely to form- but for some reason this movie just got them right and made the whole thing enjoyable from beginning to end. At one point I clocked the running time and realised that i was almost halfway through proceedings and other than the fantastic opening sequence ('It HURTS!!') we still hadn't gotten to the horror. Yet i was enjoying the movie so much I hadn't even noticed. Then things kicked off big time. Granted Victor appearing from within the shack wasn't quite as smack in the face as Leatherfaces first appearance in TCM, but it still rocked. And once he started chopping away, and boy did he keep chopping, things didn't let up! The deaths in this movie were a gorehounds wet dream and easily surpassed any horror flick I've seen before. 'Saw' might be sadistic and ingenious, but give me Hatchets no bullshit work ethic any day. I saw Angels and Demons lately and was surprised to see more gore than the BBFC (Uk equivelent of MPAA) ever allowed into a Friday 13th movie. It got me thinking, wow, what could you get away with in an 18 cerificate today. Well now i know, and it rocks. I only wish Eli Roth would make a movie like this. He's got obvious talent, and his Thanksgiving trailer shows he loves the genre.

Anyway, yes, Crowley is a fantastic creation. He's got the look, he's got a sympathetic history which still doesn't diminish his fear factor and he moves through his victims like a force of nature.

I have only two complaints about the movie - I didn't like the cut to black at the end. I think it ended in a good spot, I just would have preferred a cheesy freeze frame, with the soundtrack continuing, fade to black. And my other complaint was when Crowley chased them through the cemetary at the end, he was a bit too hot on their heels, and it all looked a little too Scooby Doo.

Johnny said...

So glad you liked it as much as I did! I agree with ya on the end. A nice little Friday Part 2 style freeze frame wouldve been cooler than the smash cut to black.

Anonymous said...

well i would go with michael meyer without having to think, but i cant so...
i loved the plants in the ruins, but i dont know if they count.
hannibal lector is probably one of my favorites. just his personality is so awesome. the way he is almost always (if not always) polite kinda.
other then that none come to mind really.

Guess said...

I'd have to say Death from the final destination franchise, because you can't kill or stop him and the best thing for you to do is hope you'll survive a little bit longer and not die a horrible gruesome death.

Ayla Miller said...

i like chucky because he is small so for him, therefore it is easier for him to kill people. the easier it is, the more people are dead and the more movies, so far the newest one is coming out in 2013

Anonymous said...

How about the villian from silent night, deadly night. kid sees his parents get murdered by a santa, needs psychiatric help, ends up going on killing spree dressed as santa